Noise Pollution Control Killing Music

Sushma Gaikwad -
Co-Founder and Director of Ice Global

Pramod Chandorkar - Director at Sound Ideaz Academy and Honorary Chairman, IRAA Awards

Mohomed Morani - Cineyug, Managing Director

Milind Raorane - Electro-Acoustic Design Consultant, Owner Soundframe Consulting

Sushma Gaikwad: We are going to discuss about a very important subject today. It is something, which is going to affect everyone, why because this industry is about entertainment, live interaction and we as a country are about entertainment.

Here what we are hoping to bring to you is an open discussion about noise pollution.

First, is it really affecting the music industry and if it is, then how? So, that is what today’s discussion is about and to keep the aim or the objective very clear for us to discuss the fact that there is an entire regulation named noise control regulation that has been passed in the year 2000.

Do you think that noise pollution is really affecting the music industry?

Audience (Prashop Saini): - Noise pollution is a thought that the public needs to understand. Our industry has expanded so much, today as we understand that India is a sunrise sector. Most of the entities do not know what all the regulations are. It’s mostly affecting the industry because of the lack of awareness about rules and regulations to tackle it. It’s also affecting because people are not able to understand what exactly to do about it whenever they encounter a problem like this.

Sushma Gaikwad: Very well said and I think awareness is critical. We are actually going to dissect the aspect of awareness.

• Firstly, the reason we are here because there is a complete lack of awareness.
• Number two is to understand that, if you are talking about noise pollution control, is it really killing us, or is it the lack of awareness about how to manage noise pollution control is killing us.
• Number three, are we really wanted to get into the bottom of it and understand that what the law is.

So, let’s begin now with the panelist. Here, I am going to direct my first question:

What is the law?

We all know that the regulation has been passed in 2000.

Milind Raorane: So, what government has done is that they have divided the entire topography of the areas into four parts, which is silence, residential, commercial, and industrial zones. Silence zones are where you have religious structure or courts, schools, and hospitals around you in 100 meters. Anything that fits into 100 meters proximity is silence zone and which is away from this then that becomes the residential zone. Commercial zones are like shopping and marketing areas where all these business activities happen, and industrial zones are the areas where large industries and companies are working, and heavy machinery are being used which creates noise.

The government did some survey for this noise what we call is noise wrapping in our language and then they came out with certain figures which are there on MPCB (Maharashtra Pollution Control Board) website for us to read. Where, they shave mentioned that the noise level should be 50db during the daytime. This daytime also described as something, which starts from 9 am or 10’o clock and ends at 6 pm. From that 6 pm to next day 10 am is the sleeping time and that’s how they calculate.

Therefore, if 50db during the daytime in silence zone, which is the maximum noise level, then 45db should be at night. Then, if you go to the residential, which is 55db, the commercial is 65db and industrial is 75db. Basically, what they have done is you exactly subtract 10db from the maximum level and that is your right values. They have also described that this should be in LAQ measurement means that the sample should be taken at a certain period which will be the average of whatever data is gathered in that period. That could be one peak measurement which could be very loud but if there are other soft measurement samples then an overall average is to be taken and that is what that LAQ should be. (The regulatory body is MPCB and cops come to measure it they are not MPCB people).

I guess that this where that perception of this law starts falling apart because most of the time, we have seen that when they check the readings it was not taken in the LAQ method. They just come and keep a meter to take the reading, they don’t even know that while taking readings there is weighted measurement and we call it A-weighted, C-weighted and flat. If I change these filters (C & Flat) then the spectrum of the noise it picks up changes.

Like if I have to give an analogy of colors and if there are seven colors, then when I measure it into flat then I will measure all seven colors but if I am measuring in “A” then I might measure only four colors. This entire breakdown is not being explained to the authorities who are coming to measure and decide whether it is right or wrong. They just come with a meter they don’t even know that the meter is in flat or “A” mode. Most of the time these meters don’t have any filters. So sometimes it's like contestable and that is why this whole perception of the noise starts. However, yes to come back to your original question this is how they have described the samples and it is high time that this whole thing needs to be restudied and revisited.

Sushma Gaikwad: We are looking that there is a law yet the regulatory body that is meant to implement the law is not well wrest with what is required technically for the law to be implemented. Now let’s talk about the decibels because quite a few here in the audience are agencies and people who actually go out there and work with those decibels.

Pramod Chandorkar: I would also like to add a point to what Milind has said, I heard that the cops have been trained but how compatible is that and how well it’s being implemented is the question. When we say regulatory body, I was surprised to see that on the websites of Pollution control boards where they have so many reports which they have verified and validated with 50db as actual ambient noise. Whereas the primary question is that the ambient noise in our country is very high from what it should be or as mentioned in the law.

Another question of mine is that this is straight a copy-paste job from western countries laws because they have these residential, commercial or industrial specific areas. How many of you have experience in India where there is a different residential zone? We don’t have, in fact next to the school we might have a big lathe factor. Secondly, the agencies who measure this for the government is not transparent, even if it has been published then also one have to really dig inside the website to find it out. It has to be very transparent and it has to be shown to all that who are these agencies and all.

Milind Raorane: Basically, what standards they are confirmed to while doing that measurement.

Pramod Chandorkar: Here I want to make a simple point that if you are talking about the audio industry. It needs to have some audio industry representative into that body who are doing that measurement and who will confirm it that ok your measurement is acceptable to the industry and this is the ambient noise. Also, if this is a copy paste job, then internationally also it’s always been said that any maximum 5 to 6db can vary above the ambient noise at times. Suppose, your levels are Xdb above the ambient level noise or else you can’t do an event, you cannot put a loudspeaker anywhere.

These things should be understood by the bodies who are doing this. Again, lets come to the decibel that what are decibels and understanding of it. People say 50db or 55db, I am sure the professional people will understand, but I don’t know how much other people will understand because they look at decibel as another linear scale whereas decibel is a logarithmic scale. A 6db can make the sound double, so if it is 50db and I make it 56db that means it's two time louder and 80-85db is very much high level.

It’s not like that we don’t want to measure the law but the implementation of the law has to be regularized and I think something here needs to be done.

Mohomed Morani: We on behalf of the entertainment industry definitely are here to talk about the entire law of industrial, residential, professional and silence. Specifically, we are here for the entertainment part of it to discuss the pros and cons and how can we have a solution. This law goes back around 20 years because it was founded in 1986 and the last order with the slight modification came in 2000.

Suppose, when I am talking to you and I couldn’t hear myself, then I will be talking louder, so I have already gone over the decibel. So, understand music, when we are in the entertainment industry, it’s a professional industry and it must be controlled and measured and the best form to measure music in decibels.

Music is an expression, so any form of celebration whether it’s an event or party or any religious or cultural requires music because it’s an integral part of any celebration. We are not here to contradict the law rather we are here to get a solution to it because the matter is sub juries and we don’t want to comment about it. We are here to say what the entertainment industry feels about the law and how we can give solution to this law with these experts here and there are a lot of solutions to it for which Sushma will be taking us. I think that this is a step in the right direction. As there are two types of people here who use professional equipment and nonprofessional equipment, so, there is a difference between noise and music which people need to understand here. Anything playing out of any speaker is noise, but anything controlled by the sound engineer to make it sound beautiful is music.

Therefore, it's very important to educate the people about the difference between them.

Like right now we have this space, and, in this space, we have controlled sound. The sound engineer here can control my sound so that it doesn’t go outside. If it has proper decibel on which you can hear me then he will cut down the volume or if he can’t hear me because he at the back, then he will make it audible. This is what professional industry is all about its controlled sound wherever you are, we always are in a controlled field, controlled event, controlled industry, controlled venue. Whereas when an unprofessional industry is working which is 70% of the majority, working on the roads putting loudspeakers, DJ consoles everywhere. There is no control, as they are just putting an amplifier which is connected that to any speaker and there is bass, treble, loud and then suddenly someone complains that the music is loud then police just comes in and arrest the person and goes away.

If there will be a proper system like Pramod said where we can have a meter, any meter which can be controlled by phone (just an app) and sound cannot be like in India they say, “oh, the sound is too loud, 100-decibel se jyada aa raha hai.” But I am speaking at 85 decibels which is more than the sound level that’s too low. That’s why, we want to apply, we want to take a body and tell them that we need to increase the level a bit of sound at least for the entertainment sector where the sound is controlled by professionals.

Sushma Gaikwad: Very-well said. Now according to you three, let’s begin with Pramod, what is missing in the law? What should be the law actually cockiness of?

Pramod Chandorkar: After reading the law, I felt that technically they should have mentioned about the exact time, that which time they are going to consider. When you say LEQ A that means average has to be calculated in how much time has to be mentioned or it could be taken for granted like I would say fifteen minutes and he would say twenty minutes or someone would say one hour average or the cops could say 5mins average, it doesn’t work like this.

Internationally, whenever we go on a tour, there they have (especially in the auditorium) noise measurement installed there as per there law. The auditorium in-charge team is responsible that I should not blast my show beyond the noise levels because then anyone from the audience can sue the auditorium for this, that’s how the law is working. There they have this another point which says that within 15mins it should not cross 100db for indoor venues and 100db is really loud. So, it could be 95 at some stage say 100db. So, firstly on my FOH console, I have a computer monitor which takes an average and tell me after 15mins that my average for 15mins was so much. There they take an average of 15mins but in our law there no average time mentioned which should be mentioned. Now, if we can create a system like Mohommad mentioned that if we are talking about music or entertainment industry where music is an integral part of the country and you can't say that don’t play music as this country has so much of music.

Either if we can have such type of auditorium or if we can create such a body within the industry and we can ourselves regulate and put these kinds of meters in auditoriums or event venues, create a chart on what was the average of last three hours and then we submit it to the government that we have not broken the law. We ourselves want to follow the law and trust me with 100db or 95 dB you can do very good shows.

Another point I would like to talk about is as Mohomed said that in the past 19 years technologically our country have upgraded immensely in terms of quality of sound. Now we have very advanced systems at par with the world or more. We have engineers and I don’t feel shy to say that we have better engineers than the world in terms of sound. Trust me now if you have a good branded calibrated system by a system engineer then you really don’t need to put it loud.

It’s human psychology that “Awaaz thik se nhi aa raha hai toh badha do”. But there are many reasons behind this, one of them is that might be the system was not calibrated properly, the system may not be put in the right way, if all these things are taken care of then there is no need to go loud.

Mohomed Morani: I am also in the industry from 35 to 36 years. I have traveled the world with the best international shows, Promod has traveled with me a lot as a sound engineer and we have worked in the world’s best venues. When Pramod goes and does the sound setting then the guys say, “Oh! In two hours, you are done with entire soundcheck that is unbelievable”, because our people are really talented, and they know exactly how to control the sound because we are enforced. When you go abroad, they have everything fixed and they don’t have to do anything. Whereas our people are trained to make the sound, sound beautiful and better because I am not going to an auditorium which is controlled. I am going to the auditorium, which is not controlled, anything where the sound is pouncing.

Even Milind is here, we have a venue called the dome and when I took over the dome for the management the sound was very bad, and it was pouncing due to which I could not hear the music. It was not music to my ears it was sound, that time he was brought on to make the venue acoustics. There was a lot of money spent into the venue so that people could hear music, not the sound. That is the difference where professionals do come in and it’s an appeal which we like to do is there are professional people and we are enough of them in the industry. We have the unorganized set; I won't call it organized but everybody works for their living. Everybody should come at one platform and should be united to discuss each other's problems whether you are playing music on the road or in the mandap or in a Ganpati profession or in Holi. If you get certain unity and have meet them that how we can get a solution to go to the government authority and ask what is the solution and we have a solution which we like to suggest and this is just like a thought process we should go about.

Milind Raorane: Obviously, I am in agreement what Pramod said from the PA industry angle/ from rental industry angle of what things they should follow. To extend that further, I would like to include some points from the actual application end. We all have come across many times during political gatherings and speeches are given clearances about sound abetment that if they follow a certain level then they can conduct a certain event. They get special permission, exemptions did. Taking that further ahead a thought comes to me that why can’t we offer this thing to the regulatory body that we will form our own body, and which basically will generate pre documents/submissions of what sound at a certain level in the venue is going to be.

For this nowadays software is available called NoizCalc developed together by very renowned loudspeaker company called d&b audio technic from Germany along with another company called soundPLAN, which is very instrumental in Europe in doing stimulations for noise mapping. They together developed this app called NoizCalc, what it does is they have their own noise speaker stimulations for the venue which creates XPL pots, directivity plots/ what SPL will be there in that venue.

Now with NoizCalc you can take that entire stimulation and drop it at google pin and add it to your location. It takes the google pin of the location, it could be any place in India. It basically takes that location and overlays it together to give you a plot of what is the SPL distribution now and what will be there in that zone. If there are certain buildings or hospitals is there in that zone, you will actually get a 3D sound map of that situation.

Maybe such kind of document, if it made and presented to the authority as a preclearance document then I think that would be a very interesting thing or it could be like a commitment from the event organizers and vendors, “Ok this the map it looks safe and we are going to follow this”. Then the top of it has a monitoring system, which in real-time will measure the entire event and again submit a report.

So, they are going to have a pre and post report to compare. Also, if it's being violated at some point of time, then any punishment or fine can be fixed. However, killing the entire thing is not right.

Pramod Chandorkar: When we are saying that we have a limit of 50 or 55db in silence zones, then the question another will be that if a law has to be implemented then it has to be implemented on everything. We all know what the traffic noise here is, we know up to what honking level SPL goes to. Now if honking is banned then is it implemented. No, it's not. So, it cannot be like a blanket ban kind of a thing, especially on music because it’s easy to do. Therefore, there should be some kind of representator professionally talking to the government that, “We are here for the law but then there has to be a system and if you are banning then everywhere in it has to be followed, which is not being followed. It also has to be practical, like we talked about the ambiance level measurement.”

These things are very important because as we know that this industry. As we can see in all these years for PALM Show, the kind of growth every year we are having, the kind of people who are wanting to invest in this industry. The amount of transaction happen in these three days is humongous, hence, we are also putting some share in the economy. The entertainment is the biggest share into the state’s economy, and it cannot fuction like this, therefore, there has to be some way.

Sushma Gaikwad: Totally agree. The other aspect which needs to be really focused is about implementing the law, regulating the law and ensuring like Mohomed said that its 20 years old. Technology has changed and each of the panelist is bringing this to the table. Now I am going to be talking about something, which is completely not related, yet it is.

This is a little of bit of story before we move into our suggestions. There is one gentleman, who hacked one of our international leader’s social media, this is one young Indian boy and I had the good fortune of meeting him. I asked him how you managed to hack this social media page, did you really learn this in college because he is an ethical hacker. Then he was invited by a social media giant to actually go and share best practices of how he has done this. He was immediately offered a job saying that if you need to hack this celebrity page then you definitely need a job with us so that you can pick up an ethical hacker. That’s when he told me that these things we don’t learn in the classroom because the curriculum in ten years old and it's all learnt in web rooms and web chats.

What then comes up to me is that what actually we are implementing is 20 years old. I think it’s time and important because the economy is depending on it, livelihood, the industry is depending on it and that is the critical part. I think the implementation of the law is something that needs to be evaluated before a law is implemented, that’s what my own personal point of view.

Now let’s come to the critical part of today’s evening. What are the solutions, I would like to request each of the panelists to come up with two solutions that you would suggest, let’s began with Mohomed.

Mohomed Morani: We can actually make a request as we have a cosmological country. We have so many festivals and so much culture in it, definitely we celebrate Holi, Navratri, so they can be lenient on the extension on the timings for those particular dates or they can be more lenient on the decibels on those particular dates it would help the industry at least because everybody is partying whether its new year, its Christmas, so you are not disturbing a lot of people. Certain timings should be extended on days.

Say technology has gone so far now and from 19 years we haven’t changed the law and we are carrying it out. But now if you are sitting there is a 1’o clock show in the night in a movie theatre, as the technology has improved we are seeing a movie at XYZ decibels and you are enjoying the movie because it got surround sound, Dolby digital and even in the next theatre another movie is going on but it doesn’t spill over to you. So, as long as its control with soundproofing with the technology which got line array speakers, in fact, we have such speakers now that if their periphery is not thrown in a certain direction then that area will not get sound. This is how the professional industry has graduated and we need to actually keep in mind the professional industry the professionals should come out and give a lot of suggestions on the new rules and regulations to become out and I think we should go a step forward in unity. Most important is the road speakers which we call Bunga's they are a manias, if that is controlled because due to this most of the time the professional industry faces a lot of issues because everybody is in the same light and that’s why we need to request them and the unprofessional industry should learn from professional industry there should be a common platform.

Sushma Gaikwad: Skilling up is a very essential part of everything. Now Pramod you are in skilling sector for sound. Could you please give us few solutions on how one can actually skill up as we are talking about professional or unprofessional so that everyone understands the difference between entertainment on the road which is something we should be proud of as we are Indian to entertainment in the concerts.

Pramod Chandorkar: It's not that performance on road whole day is only in India, trust me people in Europe also perform on-road, they also put PA on road, they do. But the only difference what I feel is in the speed with which this technology and industry have grown unfortunately education about this has not followed it. I also feel that the manufacturers of this equipment who are selling this equipment are very keen to invest in all parts of sales ways, but they should also put efforts into educating their clients. Second, as a community, we should come together, I am willing to take a step into it, where we can create some short courses for all the people in audio. Whether they are professionals educated or not, I really don’t bother about it as I always believe that sound design is an art you don’t have to do 12th or MSC or doctorate to pursue it. Even a guy who cannot speak English can be an awesome mixing engineer.

Humare desh main ek bahut bada problem hai that is the language but it's not compulsory that some guy sitting here from Buldana speaks in English. He might be a very good engineer but might not be very much comfortable in speaking in English and then he will shy away from this discussion. What we should do as per as Maharashtra concern maybe I am willing to conduct a course in Marathi which will be a basic course or maybe a free course. I may not want to do it for free because free has no value in this country just for the sake of that and as a community, we should try and educate them to tell them that “you do it on street then these are the positive and negative things. You have to know how it has to done and do it in a proper way”. Once they are educated, I don’t know it just came into my mind that we can create some kind of a licensing as an appreciation from the institute and government. Like, this vendor has learned and understand this and this is the proof of that he can later present as a permit but with this responsibility also come to him that but he doesn’t submit the report then he has to pay fines.

This is one mid-way where we are trying to show the government and to the court that we want to follow the laws but as an industry and community we are also trying to educate our people because I feel that every manufacturer who is doing business and making money out of it should put in money (as a corporate or social responsibility) to contribute in this and should fund these courses so that our whole community will learn, this is what I feel.

Learning never goes waste. These days what is happening only thing he gets to know is that I have invested this 5lakh rupee then the cops came, they broke my speakers and arrested me. It hurts because then how will he pay back his loan.

But when he knows what is going wrong and how can he correct to ensure that his investment is safe then he will also be happy and lead a better business.

Sushma Gaikwad: Absolutely correct and well said. Milind your suggestions, please.

Milind Raorane: There was a solution, which I have already mentioned was bringing a process of pre-commitments and post submissions, where you pre-commit that ok this is what we are going to follow and then you post submit another report on what was followed. Then there will be a kind of a method and commitment given from the organizers. This kind of system we can introduce with the regulatory body. The second one, I would take a leaf out of Pramod’s thing that about the skill set. It suddenly struck me that to get a sound operator license, you have to give an exam on electrical or say electricity.

If I have held a simple pooja in my building or have to bring two tops and subs, then being a society I have to take permission from a local police station. How they give me permission the sound operators who are bringing those two boxes need to have a sound operator license. No what is that license and how do you get that by giving an electrical exam. That is where the flaws itself lies and that is where the loophole comes in.

In addition, you have to be qualified in an electrical fraternity.

Pramod Chandorkar: I remember Aakashwani and Doordarshan, they never had a sound engineer post, it was only for electrical engineer. If you are an electrical engineer, then you have to operate.

Sushma Gaikwad: That’s 1986. That says that all the laws are not updates.

Pramod Chandorkar: We can request the government to update the licensing procedure.

Milind Raorane: That where the point is that the point of entry itself is wrong, authorizing itself is wrong. This is the second point, now the third point is from the angle of whatever effort is going on with the court or with the government to this thing corrected or rectified from our side (from the industry angle) is that the whole has begun in 1999-2000, where they went around and took samples. I think now is the time for the industry to come together and form a team which will take samples again our side to check are these ambiance levels are really reverent or not currently.

We will take the samples of silence zones and these are available. If you go to MPCB then they can give you the actual mapping of the areas which are silence zones or residential.

Now, there has to be the second attempt of re-measurement and remapping from our end, not from the government. We have to create this data and use this data to submit and show that this is what it is right now and this is what you guys have told us.

Maybe if it is the same then we don’t have a case, but we all know that this is not a case, it has changes.

Pramod Chandorkar: Sorry to interrupt but if this is the case then these are the fine lines, but what about entertainment. You are saying that we cannot perform in BKC or in silent zone, then give me a venue where we can do the show. You cannot say that don’t do it. Even internationally, you have to step out of the city where you get the performance area.

Mohomed Morani: They give indoor permission for the longer time, but outdoor permission is till 10:30pm. Indoor permission is approximately till 12:30 or 1:30. But there are very few venues like that and five stars are allowed to go till 3:00am also.

Milind Raorane: How does DOME work?

Mohomed Morani: Dome works up to 1:30am for what we bought permission. We have the permission because we are indoor, and we don’t disturb anybody, and is classified under auditoriums, as we do not disturb the surroundings. Venues where sound decibel does not go out of the main door are definitely having more time limits.

Pramod Sir: Here I have a question Mohomed. When we say that we have these issues with the authorities generally we talk about the outdoor events. Being an expert how many times you have faced these issues.

Mohomed Morani: Many times, because we live in an entertainment industry and everybody knows that entertainment industry is very vast. In Mumbai because if the traffic they can’t come so early by the time they reached the venue it’s already 8’o clock. Starting a show is a nightmare here without traffic and 70-80 percent of the time I can say that the show has to stopped and the TV shows which are shot at the outdoor spaces we have to do them on monitors and yes because we are shooting it for television we have no choice but to go on without sound. At that time only the stage can hear that sound and the audience doesn’t come to know that what is happening.

Sushma Gaikwad: The control is actually messing up the Industry because the controlled is not being a planned control. It’s not a logical and evolved control. I think the critical part is right now is to us to plan noise pollution in a way that enhances opportunity for interaction, for live entertainment as well as for economy is very critical. That is what we are getting from all.

Pramod Chandorkar: I would like to add something here. I feel that the most important thing is open up a communication channel with the government. Right now everybody has seen with the same lense that, “ Yeh Dobly sound waale hai”, so this name itself is a wrong because if the guy is a DJ guy, there is no connection between these and have been seen with that lense. So, until and unless they don’t know that there is an organized sector, responsible people. Once they come to know I am sure they will listen because again it government and for this we need to open a channel. I also feel that we have people who are representatives of the fraternity like Smriti Irani.

Sushma : I think we are coming together with the Industry critical that we need to influence the government with the right information. On the other side of the table the industry is coming together as the one. So it needs to be a industry as a whole to stand it cannot be two-three individuals players standing.

Mohommad : I think EMA should take the initiative.

Sushma : So whether it’s the event industry or audio industry needs to stand as an industry to lays on behalf of the industry i.e. at least the professionals. As well as getting the unprofessional industry skilled up and become a part of the professional industry, which is the part of the community support. Now I have one last question.

We all know that we can unify voice, what can we all do to unify our voice?

What can we do to influence shift in policy?

At the end of the day, what is there that we can do?

Mohommad : I think that the influence has started today. We should also make an effort to form a committee where people like Milind and Pramod who are ready to give their time and efforts towards forming a body. I also think that it should be taken forward immediately. Therefore it’s a very important start today.

Sushma : It would be lovely if all the people can give any information, if there is, if there is any support you can give then make that support audible. Whether its tweeting about enhancing the law not about against the law or implementing the law one should do, that can also be taken as a simple role. We on the other hand whether its associations or technicians coming together, lets actually create a nice momentum, which is Mohammad said has started right now.

Quick Closing Notes In terms of what we can do:

Milind Raorane : As I said if I have only one thing that I can do is which is the most important thing to do is to create a database submission of what reality is currently and set new targets. First, I think I would break it up into secured performance areas, which means grounds, arenas, stadiums, so that we can classify into two types: - one could be secured arenas and another will be unsecured arenas. I am just throwing words, which could be performances on loudspeakers on road or processionals, etc. After classification get the secured venues clear for SPL’s with real time data or relevant data, studies done again very meticulously, submit all those number crunching, and get the cleared. Then work on the unsecured areas, which are completely open area and find ways out. I also think that it won’t be possible to take clearance for everyone. However, we can do it phase wise.

Pramod : Just adding to what Milind said that and what Mohomad Ji mentioned that we first need to create a body, which could be recognized, so that the government listens to us. Once we done that then we may ask them to implement license conditions, which could be the first state, which will not only help the event business but people who are in the audio business but not exactly in event business. We will also create the system where we will give education to all these guys so that they earn the license. Also, as Milind mentioned that at the same time that once we have this organization then we will have some kind of the value to what data we are collecting and we are going to submit to the government. So, once we convince the government that we are there to help them to put this in batter way then they will also move two steps ahead because positivity wins positivity and negativity will take us nowhere.

Sushma : So pro-activity what you are looking at. One more question:

Noise pollution control in the avatar it is today (like random recording are done or random measurement are being taken), what is according to you is the biggest impact that it’s having? That is not working for us in terms of the entertainment industry.

Mohommad : Definitely we have a big impact on the economy as well as the pollution control. All these factors are taken then I think the sound industry, which is a very big industry, I think 70% of the sector is un-organized, unprofessional. If that all becomes controlled and I think a lot of people at PALM Expo lot of people are putting outdoor professional equipment even to the outdoor way. So, I think control is coming in. I think literacy is important and India is moving towards it and I think the new policy will soon come in. If we have the policy then economy will improve and the sound pollution will also be better.

Pramod : Just looking at the positive change then if you see the copyright law which was recently upgraded with consultation of the industry and that has made all the industry musicians very happy about it. There was lot of efforts, which was taken and did all those things to reach the government and they did listen to them. That’s a good example for us to see that it’s possible.

Sushma : When the intension is there everything is possible. It’s about getting together, putting together the plan, making the representation, and following it through. I think that is the key.